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Old 28-09-2020, 09:45 AM   #1
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Is another Lockdown coming?

firstly debate is healthy, abuse isnt. we dont all have to agree but please lets not get this thread closed down.

as per title, do we think another Lockdown is coming? i hope not as i cant see how they can pay and support all the hospitaitly sector again.

and also gyms, which is the biggest problem to me. i dont want to be back training in a cold garage again :-(

i understand the reasons behind the first, even if i didnt agree. still think Swedens idea was the best.

but looking at the figures below i cant understand any of the recent decisions. 10pm closing pubs? pointless. 6 people in a house but 60 at work? pointless. 15 at a wedding but not 30? pointless.

england is policed by consent. once that consent is removed trouble will follow :-/

And with a graph like below how can they justify what they are doin?

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Old 28-09-2020, 10:27 AM   #2
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It gets said a lot, but there is an element of truth in the fact that there ARE more people being tested now than there were when we had the last peak, so we WILL see more positive results this time round.

The estimate of genuine cases per day at the last peak is said to be more like 100,000 per day, but back then most were only given a test if you were admitted to hospital.

The daily deaths haven't increased anywhere near like they were at the last peak yet, and this reflects in the previous statement of there clearly being a lot more people with covid than were detected back in the spring.

I honestly don't know the answers, I have no idea how I'd handle it if I had to make the decisions. It's clearly a serious virus for a good number of people, there is no denying that - it's certainly not a hoax - but the country can't handle the fallout of another prolonged lockdown so there has to come a point when the restrictions have to stop, surely?

Otherwise we'll end up with so many unemployed and all the problems that brings....
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Old 28-09-2020, 10:29 AM   #3
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Yes is the simple reason and for the same reason i mentioned back before all this started.
Selfish morons.

Look at the amount of the professionally offended who protested being told to wear a mask, these are the selfish morons wandering round Asda with the " you cant tell me what to do " attitude who will cause another lockdown.
These same selfish morons are the ones who the very day lockdown started, treated it as an excuse to party with all their mates. Who despite being told to protect others, think its perfectly acceptable to spit on the floor.

Britain as a country will never be rid of Covid-19, even if a proven effective vaccine is developed, the professionally offended will protest about being offered it.
Second lockdown is a matter of WHEN not IF.
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Old 28-09-2020, 10:30 AM   #4
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I can't see another full lockdown coming because the economy and businesses can't survive another one.

My company has made people go through redundancies twice now so if another happens then another bout of redundancies will probably follow.
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Old 28-09-2020, 10:35 AM   #5
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I agree with Muzzer completely about the professionally offended and selfish idiots. We can all debate about the effectiveness of face coverings but they are not going to increase the infection rate - I wear one not because I'm simply compliant, not because I believe they work but out of respect and courtesy towards those I'm around.

I do believe a second lockdown is looming, it will be entirely self-inflicted but I do not believe the numbers support the need for one
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Old 28-09-2020, 10:59 AM   #6
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Not sure about a national lockdown, however I suspect there may be increasing local lockdowns, such that it could cover most of the country, thus effectively becoming a national lockdown that govt can pass the buck to local authorities - "it wasn't us, it was demanded by local authorities"
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Old 28-09-2020, 11:10 AM   #7
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I still don't understand why countries don't report positive tests as a percentage of total tests completed. Whilst not perfect, it does provide more valid data.
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Old 28-09-2020, 11:18 AM   #8
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I still don't understand why countries don't report positive tests as a percentage of total tests completed. Whilst not perfect, it does provide more valid data.
I thought they did. They do in Scotland give % of tested that were positive. (9.1% reported yesterday)
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Old 28-09-2020, 12:00 PM   #9
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I thought they did. They do in Scotland give % of tested that were positive. (9.1% reported yesterday)
Scotland is not doing well at all. In fact Glasgow has the highest rate of Covid in the UK while Edinburgh was 9th.
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It's death by a thousand cuts at the moment. Using shameless propaganda. Very serious, yes. But bad enough to effectively shut down the world, and ruin lives for generations to come?
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