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Old 12-10-2020, 10:00 AM   #1
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Ceramic Friendly Snow foam mega test

Good morning all,

Following a recent discussion on another thread (https://www.detailingworld.co.uk/for...d.php?t=423113) there were some interesting points raised around stronger alkaline snow foams such as Bilt hamber auto foam & wax planet 8 below possibly having a negative effect on a ceramic coating.

This has prompted to me to try and search out a snow foam that won't degrade the coating but also offer good pre wash cleaning. So i thought why not collate my findings into one thread.

I have done some some testing like this before of 'pure' shampoos which can be seen here;

https://www.detailingworld.co.uk/for...d.php?t=419020

For context ill take you through my normal washing routine as well what I want out of a snow foam.

My car washing procedure usually looks something like this;

1. Wheels
2. Pre wash
3. Snow foam
4. Rinse
5. Shampoo (applied to car through a lance)
6. Hand wash
7. Blow dry.

I don't want a snow foam that is excessively clingy or overly foamy as I don't want to be waiting to crack on with the wash for 20 minutes, ideally I would like a maximum of around 10 minutes dwell time. (After using magifoam for the last year waiting around 20 minutes and having foam on the driveway all weekend is annoying).

A few controls for this testing.

1. Ill be using an MTM Foam cannon for all the snow foams


2. Ill use the same car each time, My little UP! GTI.



3. Car is coated in Gtechniq EXO/CSL and was applied around 1 month ago so is still fresh.

4. Ill be using a kranzle K10 as my pressure washer, which delivers around 10 Litres a minute and I usually get decent foaming

5. The water here is around 160ppm which is pretty hard, just something to keep in mind although I've never had it affect foaming.

Testing

1. Ill measure the PH levels of each product neat, Diluted and P.I.R.
2. Ill use the recommended Dilutions from each manufacturer.
3. Dwell time will also be to manufacture recommendations.
4. Before/After photos
5. Comments on each product
6. Costs associated with each product.

Contenders (so far)

Carbon Collective Ultimus Snow Foam
Gtechniq W4 Citrus Foam - Post #50
GYEON Q2M Foam - Post #54
Koch Chemie GSF Gentle Snow Foam
TAC System Ultra Snow Foam
Wax Planet Seven Below PH Neutral Snow Foam - Post #31

(If there are any you would like to see let me know).


Its worth noting that ill end up with a lot of product not being used so after each test ill stick them for sale in the personal detailing sales section, may be helpful if you want to try yourself.

First up will be wax planet 7 below which ill upload this weekend.

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Fantastic will be great to see your outcomes of each


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Looking forward to the findings, love a proper test rather than being fed the usual YouTube fodder.
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Great idea. One question - in your usual routine you mention a pre-wash. What does that entail?
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I can send you samples of the following for testing of required -

DetailedOnline Lava Foam
Autoglym Polar Blast
CarChem Pre-Soak

All 3 are popular and available in larger sizes.

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Uhh... I'm not sure how this test will prove anything if you are washing the whole car with each product just once?
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Great idea. One question - in your usual routine you mention a pre-wash. What does that entail?
Yep.. if it's a pre wash cleaner then those are normally as harsh if not harsher than the snow foams lol. Unless he means pre-rinse?

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Uhh... I'm not sure how this test will prove anything if you are washing the whole car with each product just once?
I fear you may be right in relation to LSP degradation.. each product will be eating away at it over time and the product to take the last bite may be blamed when actually it's just a matter of sequencing.

The only way to do this with any meaningful way of comparison is to pick two - run them head to head for a period of time and monitor relative performance, degradation. In theory one side of the car shouldn't get a whole lot dirtier than the other.

With more than two products it becomes a nightmare to test - segmenting up and keeping track of sections, different sections will be expose to different contamination (general dirt, road film, dried water spotting, heat, bug splatter, iron, tar etc).

I think regardless of the way Eturty does it, this thread will help differentiate between the foaminess, dwell time and cleaning power of this category of mild foams. The LSP degradation might just be one step too far.

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Chaps,

Thanks for the replies.

To clear it up straight off the bat there’s no feasible way to comment on degradation of the coating, otherwise we would all be 10 years older by the time I get there.

Also it’s kind of pointless as all of our cars exist in different parts of the country, see a huge range of mileage and use different coatings so I don’t think I will be able to add much in terms of value if I commented on durability.

What I can do however is present some facts, first hand experience and hard data for all of you to make an informed decision on whether one of these products will work for you or not. Especially on the PH values of each product (additionally I understand PH isn’t everything but it’s a useful figure to know).

Also forgive me when I say pre-wash I mean using a ‘snow foam’ type product not a TFR or any other type of citrus based cleaner. More of a blanket term to cover using a ‘contactless’ type product before shampooing the car.


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I can send you samples of the following for testing of required -

DetailedOnline Lava Foam
Autoglym Polar Blast
CarChem Pre-Soak

All 3 are popular and available in larger sizes.

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Thank you for the offer Kenan, I’ll pm you


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Also forgive me when I say pre-wash I mean using a ‘snow foam’ type product not a TFR or any other type of citrus based cleaner. More of a blanket term to cover using a ‘contactless’ type product before shampooing the car.
Are you using a separate product prior to the snow foam being tested, or are you using the tested snow foam as the pre-wash too?
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